Vegan Q&A: Common Questions Part I

Vegan Q&A Common Questions Part I

I’ve been meaning to tackle this post for weeks now, but I think I may have (intentionally?) let it get lost in all of the holiday madness. Truthfully, I’ve been dragging my feet just a little bit, for several reasons. While the questions I’m going to answer today will likely have much shorter replies than the other posts in this series did (as evidenced by the miscellaneous jumble), that’s not what’s making me procrastinate. What is? Well, quite frankly, some of these questions are…stupid.

I almost always get the feeling that they’re not being asked in a real and truly inquisitive way. Not in an “I have a serious concern, what are your thoughts?” kind of way. More often than not, they’re posed in a condescending tone; anger and defensiveness are pretty common, too. Or like this particular question will give me great pause (hey, why didn’t I think of that?) and somehow dismantle all of my deeply rooted values and ethics in an instant. Perhaps this will even be the one great question that will finally destroy the authenticity of a vegan lifestyle once and for all. So, for the most part, I don’t take these questions all that seriously (hence the derogatory label of stupid), especially considering the manner in which they’re generally asked.

However…

However, I have personally been asked many of the questions I’ll tackle in the next two (or three) posts. And not always by someone taking a cruel jab or (over)reacting in a defensive manner, but as actual thoughts to ponder. Honest questions looking for honest answers–asked in friendship and mutual respect. So in honor of the 1% who I think take these questions seriously, here are my thoughts. As always, these answers reflect my opinions only and in no way attempt to answer for all ethical vegans. As with any other group, we are a motley crew. Ready? Because I’m done dragging my feet now…

Why do you care only about the animals and not about the people?

I was completely caught off guard when this question was posed to me. Like, completely. Not only because it was done in such a derogatory tone, but because this person knows me. And until this specific conversation, they had never bothered to ask me what I do (or don’t do) for “the people,” but had still somehow come to the conclusion that it was nothing.

Had they asked (prior to the unspoken accusation), my answer would have been that I do a lot for the people. We’ll start with the fact that I don’t eat them (joking…kind of). But seriously, I regularly donate and support multiple organizations whose sole purpose is to help human beings. Groups like Kiva, Women for Women International, ACLU, IRIS, Knit-a-Square, Self-Realization Fellowship. Riley Mae and I make dolls for charity. A portion of my weekly grocery money is allotted for food donations to our local food bank.

I do care about humans–a lot. But at the same time, I also care about our planet. And I definitely care about the animals that inhabit it with us. My strong stance for animal rights doesn’t negate my strong stance for human rights or environmental rights. And the fact of the matter is, living a vegan lifestyle–all by itself–helps other humans in many grave and important ways.

I’m going to throw some numbers at you right now to substantiate this point; these statistics are based off of my having been vegan for the past ten+ years. They’re so impressive that they even caught me by surprise.

  • 4,015,000 gallons of water saved
  • 146,000 pounds of grain saved
  • 109,500 sq. ft of forest saved
  • 73,000 pounds of CO2 saved

All of those big and beautiful numbers? They help people. And even if I did nothing else, and supported no other organizations, I would argue that veganism does more than enough helping all on its own. I personally, and some would say idealistically, feel that if humans were to spontaneously go vegan it would remedy massive and enormous problems of humanity. Food would be available for the starving, the planet could recover from the relentless onslaught of animal agriculture, and obviously the animals would be freed from the cruel clutches of human greed.

So my official answer is: I care about both the humans and the animals. And my life reflects exactly that.

(Not noted in the statistics above: 3,650 animal lives saved.)

Why don’t you care about the plants that you’re killing? Maybe they feel pain, too.

I actually do care about the fact that plants have to die so that I can live. It’s one of the terrible truths to my existence that something has to perish in order for me to survive. But since the hard-to-swallow truth is that I need to eat, I have to ask myself where I can do the least amount of harm. I know, unequivocally, that animals feel pain. And I know, unequivocally, that their deaths are riddled with it. But do plants feel pain, too? It’s a question I’ve asked myself a hundred times.

I’m going to differ here from almost every vegan I’ve ever seen answer this question because I can’t (and won’t) say with 100% certainty that plants don’t feel pain. How can I know this? I’m not a plant. The question is often met with derisiveness (and easily dismissed) by vegans, and with good reason. It’s one of “those” questions asked only to put vegans on the spot–as if I haven’t already considered this particular quandary. It’s also a weak attempt to cast doubt on our general belief that we should do no harm, because after all, we’re harming plants. But if the question is meant to somehow invalidate the vegan stance that the animals shouldn’t suffer (by making us hypocrites), then it fails. I know animals shouldn’t suffer because I know that they can. And do. But can the same be said for plants?

The conventional response to this question is that plants do not have a central nervous system, and are thus incapable of feeling pain. It seems simple and clear-cut enough until I think about all of the ways we’ve been wrong in the past. Simply because we don’t currently know or understand something doesn’t make it any less real. Our not knowing doesn’t negate it’s existence. (Molecules existed long before we could prove it.) What if plants have such a highly developed system that they have no need for a “simple” nervous system? What if there are levels of understanding that we have no concept of yet? (I ask this like it isn’t exactly true. How many things do we now know exist that would have seemed unbelievable to someone 3000 years ago? 300 years ago?)

So while I can’t say definitively that plants don’t feel pain (reading about the Indian scientist J.C. Bose gave me great pause), I turn the question back on myself and ask, but what if they do?

If they do, a vegan diet is still the avenue to cause the least amount of harm. Yes, to the plants.

That beef burger (cow) required massive amounts of grains and greens to produce, way more massive than would be needed to feed a single human being. So by eating the burger I’m not only causing pain to the animal, but also to the plants that it consumed (going on the premise that plants are indeed capable of experiencing pain). Eating a vegan diet eliminates the suffering of the animal, and greatly reduces the number of plant deaths. Currently, it’s the best I can do. If someone could just teach me how to live off of sunshine then I’d be one very happy lady.

According to Peta:

The world’s cattle alone consume a quantity of food equal to the caloric needs of 8.7 billion people—more than the entire human population on Earth.

Those calories come from plants. Lots and lots of plants. And that’s taking only the cattle industry into consideration; humans eat a lot more than cows.

So my official answer is: I do care about the plants. And in a weird twist of fate, a vegan diet causes the death of far fewer plants than an omnivorous one does. And one day, if I can know a better way, then I will do a better way.

Is a vegan diet more expensive?

This doesn’t actually fall into the “stupid” category, but since I can’t fill an entire post with my answer, I’ll tackle it here. Is eating a vegan diet expensive? For me? Yes. Is it more expensive (in general)? I think it’s safe to say definitely not.

This is kind of a tricky one for me to answer, not based on the food, but based on my choices. Because if I were eating an omnivorous diet, it would be much more expensive than the norm, too. My proportionately large expenditure on groceries can be easily traced back to my avoidance of all processed foods (cheaply made, cheaply sold, and enormously unhealthy), but most importantly, my unwavering belief that organic is best. Period. For the humans and for the planet. And choosing organic over conventional is, unfortunately, still crazy expensive.

So, yes, I spend a lot of money on our food, but living a vegan life isn’t the causeliving an organic one is. I’m pretty sure that legumes are one of the cheapest sources of protein out there, and these make up a substantial part of our diet. Ditto on the grains.

So my official answer is: No. It’s been many years since I purchased meat of any kind, but unless something has changed, beans and rice are still less expensive than a cut of beef.

But didn’t God put animals on the earth for us to eat?

I’m not interested in arguing the Bible with anyone, and will avoid this at all costs. I will say several extremely brief things before I leave this subject gratefully in the dust. I will not be quoting scripture nor will I pretend to be well-versed in the subject; these are simply the thoughts and understandings that I intuitively feel in response to this common question.

First: The God that I know (in my heart) is a God of joy and love and unending compassion. There is nothing, nothing, in the animal industry today that could be labeled as such. And something so contradictory to the essence that I feel is God isn’t, in any way, compatible with my spiritual journey.

Second: Thankfully, times have changed since the days in which the Bible was written. It seems suspiciously convenient to me that we choose which changes we are willing to accept (i.e. we no longer own slaves or deem women as inferior pieces of property–as the accepted rule), and those which we refuse to accept. Apparently the latter are written in stone–for all time. Quite frankly, it boggles my mind. The slavery of animals now is just as appalling and cruel as the slavery of man was.

Third: Thou shalt not kill seems pretty clear to me. As clear as not committing adultery, and I don’t do that, either. Why not? My heart tells me–loud and clear–that God doesn’t approve.

Fourth: Before The Fall, Adam and Eve were given plants and fruits to live on. You know, green stuff. So if they started out as vegan, it seems quite clearly to be the preferable (and spiritually elevated) choice. It was only after we had to go and blatantly disobey God that we found ourselves eating the flesh of other sentient beings. And if sinning was the cause of that, it definitely doesn’t feel like something we should still be embracing.

So my official answer is: No. My heart screams no. And even though eating animals may once have been a necessity, and may still be in parts of the world, it no longer is here. And here is where I am. No part of me believes that animals were placed on this earth to be at the brutal and indifferent mercy of man, most especially considering what the industry has evolved into today.

One day the absurdity of the almost universal human belief in the slavery of other animals will be palpable. We shall then have discovered our souls and become worthier of sharing this planet with them. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Amen to that.

It’s What I Do

And there it is, Part I is officially done. Feet dragging aside, it wasn’t so bad. In the past, many of these (and upcoming) questions were hurled at me in anger, and meant to be intentionally cutting. I had to make sure as I dove into these answers of mine that my heart was once again open and not still harboring resentment over the attacks. I’m happy to say, it is not. People are where they are, and judging them for that doesn’t do me (or them) any good. So I’ll keep going, and maybe somehow turn these “stupid” questions into valid ones. Optimistic? Well, it’s what I do.

Hoping that your week is a joyful one. Much love ~ Melinda

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2 thoughts on “Vegan Q&A: Common Questions Part I

  1. Well, I eat everything. I believe that that is the most important part: to consume everything and in the most natural way avoiding any supplements, synthetic vitamins and other artificial substances. Clinically significant deficiencies must be treated, but OTC things won’t help with that.
    I think it’s important to follow one’s internal settings whether it is food, exercise, lack of it or any other activity.
    I’ve seen very sick vegetarians and very sick omnivores. Then there are brain issues which can arise without DHA. Therefore, I think eating everything, including all kinds of fats is better. You can substitute with fish oils, etc., but levels of mercury in anything out-of-the-see are concerning.
    I personally relate the abnormal numbers of memory loss cases and dementia, as well as cognitive function affecting disorders to the fact that people have been staying away from any fats and especially animal fats for more than 50 years now.
    Production of anything requires a lot of water, and for, instance, to produce lab-based meats which for some unknown reason (they are the most processed product ever and there are literally no plants, but very distant derivatives), also takes huge amounts of water, just to produce and chemically modify all synthetic ingredients. WE could probably save Earth better if we discontinued the use of current fuel on planes, stopped wars and got rid of polluted smog clouds over big cities.
    I personally see eating habits as a very individual matter. One should eat what their body loves because that’s the only way to thrive. So, bon appetit whatever is on your plate!

    1. Hi Inese 🙂 Well, I definitely do agree with you on some things! I too like to consume my foods in their most natural state and strangely enough, in 10+ years of veganism have never even eaten a processed veggie burger, lol. I also avoid all synthetic vitamins and am really happy to have found a company that makes them from whole foods only, and with organic fruits and veggies to boot. Thankfully, there need to be no worries about DHA deficiencies either as it is naturally found in algae. We have a wonderful supplement from a fabulous whole foods company that some of my family takes (although not all need to). Neither do we avoid fats, but I do have to politely disagree with you on the animal fats; I believe that plant fats are far superior health-wise.

      I used to feel the same way as you do about supplements, and wanted to get all that I need from the foods that I eat. However, with our current farming practices we are depleting the soil of necessary nutrients (one of the reasons I choose to eat only organically) and it boiled down to this for me: I can choose to take a supplement or I can choose to take a life. My heart doesn’t leave me any choice in that matter. Those animal lives are just as precious to me as any other and if I need to take an iron supplement to save them, then it seems a small sacrifice to make <3

      I was a little surprised by your statement that lab-based meats take huge amounts of water (as I thought it was quite the opposite). After a little research I found some numbers: A Beyond Burger uses 99% less water, 93% less land, generates 90% fewer Greenhouse Gas Emissions, and requires 46% less energy than a beef burger. It, of course, uses water, but significantly less that any type of animal product available. So while it definitely isn't my first choice for a healthy dinner, lol, it appears to be much kinder environmentally speaking (and of course to the animals whose lives are spared). My personal and long-standing belief is that we could make immediate and drastic healing changes to our planet if we were to all chose a plant-based diet, especially considering that a vegan diet is said to reduce your carbon footprint by over 70%!! That's an enormous impact right there!

      One more thing I do respectfully disagree with is eating whatever your body loves. If I were to let my taste buds dictate, I'd be far (far!) less healthier than I currently am, lol (and subsequently, far less happier). Nor would I exercise (which I've tried on occasion and has proven to be very detrimental to my well-being!) We seem to live in a society today where we find denying ourselves anything is a repulsive thought and I've found the exact opposite to be true. By reasonably thinking about what is best for me and not letting my likes/dislikes determine my entire path, I've found a way to better freedom, better health, and better happiness. Choosing to leave animals off of my plate, no matter how tasty they are, is one of those very important decisions. I prefer to let love guide my way, and my taste buds will just have to deal with that! 😉

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